Wouldn't one of the Second Generation (Enosh, Zillah, Irad) be hir sire since si is one of the Third Generation?
- Ilyes only appears in the Gehenna supplement, specifically "Fair is Foul", and his ancestry isn't really discussed. I'm just as happy to disambiguate Ilyes from [Brujah], since Ilyes is, if anything, an interpretation of what [Brujah] might be like. --Astralagos 02:53, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Amused.[]
I find it highly amusing that my last name is part of the VtM lore.
"Ilyes" versus "Brujah Antediluvian"[]
The name "Ilyes" is only used in the "Fair Is Foul" scenario in the Gehenna sourcebook. The canonical status of the revelations about him in that scenario are debatable. Not even the section in the front of the book revealing the canonical truth about the Antediluvians gives him that name or suggests that he escaped his death. It's dubious to say that "Ilyes" is his "real" name outside of "Fair is Foul"; the page should be moved to Brujah Antediluvian if possible. -Gtrmp 07:33, December 5, 2010 (UTC)