Talk:Veddhartha

To whomever is going to fix this article in the future:

Justin Achilli the V:TM developer, after the demise of OWOD, stated on the WW boards that in his view of things, Veddhartha (if that is his real name) "won" the age old struggle against his peers.

As the original Clanbook: Ventrue states, he was indeed struck down early on by an assailant, possible another antediluvian.

However, the Ventrue progenitor somehow maintained his presence in the world. Achilli cited three pieces of "evidence"

1.) CB:V Revised stated that every so often someone would show up either proclaiming he was the Antediluvian or spoke for him. This fraud or representative had a command of Dominate that usually exceeded members of any Ventrue gathering - and would only appear during times of great clan disunity.

Furthermore, it was speculated that these "Pseudo-Ventrue Antediluvians" may in fact be Dominated Kindred whom a more powerful force used as puppets.

2.) A section of The Book of Nod released by White Wolf has a part about Ventrue's Words to his Children. It starts off with the declarations "We reigned in..." naming various cities and types of deities associated with the Ventrue.

The assumption commonly made that these are the words of a number of Ventrue elders....and not the Antediluvian himself.

3.) The hint to Justin's argument was that a passage of the Book of Nod also states that the Antediluvians were masters of Life and Death.  They could die..and come back again barring diablerie.

So, at least in Mr. Achilli's view, sometime after the end of Gehenna, within a small unmarked hidden tomb, the light long extinguished returns to one long thought dead......

Ventrue "wins" the Jyhad by not participating in it - by letting all the others come up with their bizzare plots for divinity and letting them destroy themselves.